Over the weekend, a lot of Remainers vented their unhappiness on social media toward the Lib Dem/SNP plan to put forward a bill that might allow parliament to bypass Labour and allow a general election to happen in December. It was said that these parties were acting in their self-interest and that what we need instead is a People’s Vote. There are many things wrong with this idea.
One is that in order for another EU referendum to work before a general election takes place, we would need a government of national unity. Corbyn won’t allow this to happen, so it won’t. This neatly coincides with Corbyn’s desire to avoid another referendum unless there is no way around it. The other problem is, as this weekend’s newspapers have revealed, the Remain camp is very far from ready to fight another referendum campaign. Think about how bad it would be if Leave won again, just for a moment. So, I would say it is both impractical and inadvisable for Remain to push for a People’s Vote before a general election.
Remainers also worry that the Tories might win a 2019 general election. Yes, they might. But really what some Remainers are worried about is that Labour will do very badly in the election and thus the Tories will win by default. There are two problems with this mode of thought.
One is that some Remainers are attached to the idea that the fate of Labour and the fate of Brexit are inexorably intertwined. This is not necessarily true at all. I still have my doubts about what a Labour government would do in regard to Brexit if they won an election. Beyond that, I think how well Labour will do in a 2019 general election will have little bearing on whether the Tories are able to govern afterward. Allow me to explain.
Labour will almost certainly do relatively badly in an election held soon. Corbyn is terminally unpopular; the party has a terrible Brexit policy, one that will not hold up under the glare of a general election campaign. Yet it is also worth remembering that the Labour vote is much stickier than most pundits seem to remember when it comes time to think about these things; Labour will do relatively badly, as I say. There is a floor to how low the Labour vote share/seat share can go. For all their problems, Labour have a group of people who religiously vote for them, geographically clustered in order to help the party under the FPTP voting system. You can count on a chunk of somewhere around 200 Labour MPs to sit in the next parliament after a general election.
The real battle is how well the Lib Dems will do. What happens to Brexit is pretty much solely down to this factor and this factor alone. Most of the Lib Dems target seats are Con-Lib marginals; if the Lib Dems do well, it will hurt the Tories directly. If the Lib Dems do really well, the Tories will be unable to form a government. It’s really that simple. This will be the case for any general election held before Labour get a new leader, and depending on who the new leader is, it may well apply afterwards.
I would also point out that the more Lib Dem MPs there are in parliament after a general election, the more likely we remain in the EU. Even if I’m wrong and Labour do well, the more Lib Dems there are, the more they can pressure Labour to take actions that make remaining in the European Union much more likely. If you want to stay in the EU, vote Lib Dem.
Doing so is much more likely to result in what you want than anything else. Again, consider the folly of trying to foist a People’s Vote onto a prime minister who doesn’t want one, all to run a campaign when the Remain camp is divided and all over the shop. All so Johnson can run in such a referendum on a platform of how parliament has forced this silly referendum on everyone and could you please vote Leave to resolve the matter and shut these people up. This while the Remain camp falls apart in the heat of the moment while Corbyn goes to Bolivia on holiday for the duration.
Let’s clear it all up, as quickly as possible. Things cannot go on like this. Johnson has just missed the deadline he said he would die in a ditch to uphold. As things stand, I don’t think the Tories would win, although these things are impossible to predict. You want to Remain in the EU and have a non-Tory government? Believe in yourselves and take the chance.
Remain alliance says
Never do what the enemy want
Is this fucking 2010 all over again
Liberals will facilitate a tory majority government into Singapore on sea
First you enable horrific austerity
Now you enable a deregulated far right thatcherite brexit
Is there no end to the liberal party
MT says
In case you hadn’t noticed, the current narrative is already doing exactly what the enemy wants and providing for some extremely effective Cummings spin. To wit: “zombie parliament”. The longer this goes on, the longer you leave the door open for some proper fascists to get in, not just a Tory / Brexit Party fascist-lite.
In case you hadn’t noticed outside the Corbyn / Momentum Bubble, patience is running short in the general population and now with the EU 27 to get some sort of agreement in place and move on. Given that Corbyn effectively let Johnson get his WA through (is there no end to the Labour Party?), any election that takes place before the end of the year is a de facto second referendum: Tories (Brexit which could still be a hard Brexit) or LD/SNP/Green (revoke).
You’ll notice Labour don’t seem to appear on that list.
JohnM says
BBC Radio 4 programme ‘The Political Butterfly Effect’ episode ‘Did a drunken headbutt cause Brexit?’ might give you some balance. Did a mass brawl in a house of commons bar cause brexit? It led to a change to the Labour Party leadership election process which produced Corbyn, a Leaver all his political life, and that was the biggest single factor in Remain losing!
L says
There is also the problem that the People’s Vote campaign has been disrupted by infighting:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/28/peoples-vote-senior-figures-forced-out
My own suspicion is that privately Labour had agreed with the Lib Dems and SNP to go for a GE once the Benn Act notice had been sent, but that they reneged on that agreement because their own polling was so bad. For Corbyn, being in No 10 is all that matters not stopping Brexit.
M says
One is that in order for another EU referendum to work before a general election takes place, we would need a government of national unity.
Something that keeps bugging me is how exactly something can be repeatedly called a ‘government of national unity‘ when its entire purpose is to disenfranchise the majority of the population.
Surely ‘government of entrenched national division’ would be a much more appropriate title.
Remain alliance says
Serious question
Why does the liberal party going back to lloyd george work for the conservative party interest